Re: [BardonPraxis] Digest Number 604

[Nik Haverkamp <stanni76@...>]

Dear Rawn,

thanks for the advice and clarification.
Many thanks,

Nik
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> 1. Re: "thought control" exercise question
> From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
> 2. Re: "thought control" exercise question
> From: "Sarah Thee Campagna"
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> 3. Re: Digest Number 603
> From: Nik Haverkamp <stanni76@...>
> 4. Fw: Welcome to BardonPraxis
> From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
> 5. Re: Digest Number 603
> From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:18:37 -0800
> From: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...>
> Subject: Re: "thought control" exercise question
> 
> >> I need to make certain that I understand the
> object of the exercise.
> As I understand it, the aim is that during
> successive days, fewer and
> fewer thoughts will appear and the mind will be
> generally less chaotic.
> <<
> 
> No. The aim is to *attentively observe*, without
> participating in any
> way, *whatever* occurs in your mind. Even though
> the exercise is called
> thought "control", it's *not* about controlling the
> mind, slowing the
> thoughts, etc.. See
> http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Control.html The
> only real exercising of "control" is in the area of
> maintaining your
> attention to what is going on while controlling your
> natural urge to
> participate in the thoughts that do arise.
> 
> >> I certainly know that I have not mastered this
> exercise yet, because
> little has changed from day to day. However, how DO
> I know when I have
> mastered it? <<
> 
> This exercise is considered "mastered" when you can
> attentively observe
> the contents of your mind for 10 minutes, *without*
> in any way
> participating in what you observe and without
> digression (i.e., loss of
> attentiveness).
> 
> My best to you,
> :) Rawn Clark
> 03 Dec 2004
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> Message: 2 
> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:16:00 -0500
> From: "Sarah Thee Campagna"
> <ArtOfHands@...>
> Subject: Re: "thought control" exercise question
> 
> Thanks once again Rawn. I did read your info in the
> FB companion and it is helpful. I feel I have a
> better handle on this now.
> 
> In the past I have practiced an exercise where I was
> to observe my breathing as if it was the breathing
> of someone else - without being involved or attached
> to the breathing. I understand that breathing and
> thoughts are not the same thing, but at least I have
> some experience at detaching from and observing
> something that is going on "inside" myself. 
> 
> Again, thank you for your time.
> 
> Sarah 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Rawn Clark 
> To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] "thought control"
> exercise question
> 
> 
> >> I need to make certain that I understand the
> object of the exercise.
> As I understand it, the aim is that during
> successive days, fewer and
> fewer thoughts will appear and the mind will be
> generally less chaotic.
> <<
> 
> No. The aim is to *attentively observe*, without
> participating in any
> way, *whatever* occurs in your mind. Even though
> the exercise is called
> thought "control", it's *not* about controlling
> the mind, slowing the
> thoughts, etc.. See
> http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Control.html The
> only real exercising of "control" is in the area
> of maintaining your
> attention to what is going on while controlling
> your natural urge to
> participate in the thoughts that do arise.
> 
> >> I certainly know that I have not mastered this
> exercise yet, because
> little has changed from day to day. However, how
> DO I know when I have
> mastered it? <<
> 
> This exercise is considered "mastered" when you
> can attentively observe
> the contents of your mind for 10 minutes,
> *without* in any way
> participating in what you observe and without
> digression (i.e., loss of
> attentiveness).
> 
> My best to you,
> :) Rawn Clark
> 03 Dec 2004
> rawnclark@...
> rawn@...
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis
> http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe
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> Message: 3 
> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:17:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nik Haverkamp <stanni76@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 603
> 
> Dear Rawn,
> 
> I thought that I had mastered the though control
> exercise when I moved on to the next stage. I only
> did
> the negative portion of the soul mirror, and that
> was
> about 6 months ago...I think that you have hit the
> nail on the head. My approach is too disorganized. I
> want to eat the whole cake at once, so to say. 
> Should I focus only on one step at a time? Lets say,
> spend on part of my meditation focusing on though
> 
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