Re: First 3 steps- questions-experience-clarification

["sineadoconnorfan" <sineadoconnorfan@...>]

I don't see how a thought or train of thought can originate by 
itself without your own intention and involvement in the thought, so 
I don't understand how you can be a detached observer to thoughts 
because the act of detaching yourself also stops any thought from 
coming into being. I guess what Bardon meant was go into a stream o 
thought mindset and just keep track of your thoughts although he 
specifically used the words detached observer. I just don't see how 
you can have thoughts without thinking them.

The only time that I had the experience of thoughts being indepently 
born in my mind was in dreams.

Ardeshir

--- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Photon" <shadowphoton@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> LVX
> 
> Another way to put it would be dont be the catalyst or impulse of 
the 
> thought, AND dont be the neutralizer of the thought. Your not 
trying 
> to hold onto it, it doesnt matter if it comes or goes, how long it 
> stays, or what it is about. Neither begin nor end it, but let it 
have 
> its independant existence as you, the observer, have yours, 
because 
> afterall you are not your thoughts, but merely put them on like a 
> garment to explore knowledge with.
> 
> LVX
> Frater ha-sufah
> 
> --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@n...> 
> wrote:
> > Dear Andrej,
> > 
> > >> in the first step, in the mind exercise i have to observe the 
> ideas,
> > the mind, but i still dont know what exactly this *observe* 
means. 
> Do i
> > have to concentrate on this ideas? if not, i still must *see* 
them. 
> And
> > to see them, i need to concentrate, or not? <<
> > 
> > "Observe" means to watch. I compare it to sitting at a cafe and 
> simply
> > watching and listening the other patrons at the cafe. You sort 
of
> > eavesdrop on the conversations happening around you but you don't
> > participate in them. With the first mental exercise, you do not
> > *participate* in whatever is happening within your mind and you 
do 
> not
> > *react* to whatever happens (this is a form of participation). 
All 
> you
> > do is attentively observe. :)
> > 
> > My best to you,
> > :) Rawn Clark
> > 16 Dec 2004
> > rawnclark@n...
> > rawn@a...
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