Re: The first excercise

["sineadoconnorfan" <sineadoconnorfan@...>]

Hi, yes it does help. From you said it's clear to me that you 
understood the problem as I was describing it and so gave a reply or 
answer that was helpful. I actually just had a image thought that I 
didn't consciously intentionally will. The other problem that I 
have with this excercise is not getting involved in the stream of 
thoughts and cutting them off or stopping them. Do you have any 
suggestions on that? Thanks again.

Ardeshir

--- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Photon" <shadowphoton@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> LVX
> 
> Not all thoughts are provoked by our will. Maybe a memory 
will 
> arise unbidden, unasked for. Maybe a good one, maybe a bad one. Or 
> you associate one thing with another, thoughts comeing forth, one 
> after another. Most peoples entire days are filled with nothing 
but 
> this, a circle of thoughts, one thought, shaping from one thing to 
> another.
> 
> Watch your mind, any sound, any idea, any music stuck in your 
> head, even the thought, the idea "im watching my mind". Your a 
part 
> of it all, but how much of that stuff did you Will into your mind? 
> You have to relax your will and the grip/control you think you 
have 
> of your mind. Try to dispell those things, all of them, and exist 
> purely as one with the things around you, in the moment, or even 
one 
> of them. Try just for a few moments, and youll see that you dont 
have 
> has much of a grip/active role in your mind and thoughts as one 
would 
> think. The song comes back, the imagery keeps going, the thoughts 
> keep changing thier shape.
> 
> One you can see how you have less control than you think, the 
> first step to control is the first step itself, which is to watch 
> these thoughts. Dont tell them to do anything, dont stop them if 
they 
> become unpleasant or boring, because those things in itself will 
> bring more thoughts. The mind responds to emotional stimuli, and 
vice-
> versa. In other words, you dont have to will anything because it 
will 
> just happen, because already your thoughts have a 'will' of thier 
own 
> until you get further in the exercizes and can begin to shape them 
> and move them with your will.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> LVX
> Frater ha-sufah
> 
> --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "sineadoconnorfan" 
> <sineadoconnorfan@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > But if anyone can give me a specific clarification of my problem 
> > with the first excercise I would appreciate it. My problem is 
that 
> > I don't see how we can have a train of thought without being 
> > actively involved in imagining it, so then I don't understand 
how 
> we 
> > can be detached from a train of thought when a train of thought 
> > requires active participation in imagining it. Thanks for your 
> help.
> > 
> > Ardeshir