Re: Emptiness of Mind

["Pedro A. G. Chuidian Jr. <dv1pc@...>" <dv1pc@...>]

--- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey Sy <geoffrey_sy@y...>" 
Hi again Geoffrey,
Yes Rawn is correct and I'd like to appologise for the confusion but 
I got confused as well because of your lines :
">Regarding the one pointedness after I return from emptiness, what 
I focus upon? should I focus upon the period I went into emptiness 
in the sense that the blank there will become meaningful thoughts? 

Again my appologies I will be more careful next time.
More power to all.



<geoffrey_sy@y...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Now, I am confused. :) From what I understand from Bardon's book in 
> the Emptiness of Mind, is that I should resist with all my strength 
> from thoughts are coming in. I think there is a line where it is 
> stated somethign like that. Rawn, did I understand Bardon 
> correctly? 
> 
> But from Pedro's perspective is I have to let the thoughts just 
come 
> in. Although not attached to it. But seemingly Pedro attach a 
> special meaning to the thoughts coming in. as this line:
> 
> > Your thoughts will become more "meaningful" as you progress in 
the 
> > study.
> 
> From my perspective, maybe I am doing a similar thing with what 
Pedro 
> is saying but not entirely similar. Whenever a thought arises, I 
> just shift my focus out of it by not thinking of it - "not attached 
> to it". And later on the thought just disappear because no 
thinking 
> process is being given to it. And of course, another thought will 
> come in, and I just do it again. Shifting my focus out. But by 
doing 
> this, I don't care about the thoughts coming in. So I don't think 
> even meaningful thoughts will come in. Because I shift out of the 
> thoughts everytime.
> 
> And just a question too, is there a maximum length to be devoted to 
> the Emptiness of Mind exercise everyday (like 30 minutes?)? 
> 
> Paul, how do you practise it in the office?
> 
> Thanks,
> Geoffrey
> 
> --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Pedro A. G. Chuidian Jr. 
> <dv1pc@y...>" <dv1pc@y...> wrote:
> > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Geoffrey Sy 
> <geoffrey_sy@y...>" 
> > 
> > Hi Geoffrey, 
> > 
> > This is unsolicited , with all due respect to all, I'd just like 
to 
> > add a little something. Just let it happen. From what I have 
> learned, 
> > the idea of learning to "let go" of your thoughts is for us to 
> learn 
> > not to end up forcing concepts and ideas into the practice to be 
> able 
> > to get results. That was why he said "to be a silent observer". 
> This 
> > is a natural tendency of a person in the study - to be expecting 
> the 
> > results or effects of the practice. At this early stage, the 
> student 
> > is likely to simulate experiences where later on in the study it 
> > might be the cause of a stagnation. I fell into the trap before 
> when 
> > I was so eager to get results and be able to say something to my 
> > guide. 
> > 
> > Your thoughts will become more "meaningful" as you progress in 
the 
> > study.
> > 
> > During this stage, just learn to focus and extend the duration of 
> > this focus. Breathing properly is of utmost importance.
> > 
> > I hope I worded it properly that you got my point and that I was 
> able 
> > to help you in any way.
> > 
> > 
> > <geoffrey_sy@y...> wrote:
> > > Thanks Rawn,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regarding the one pointedness after I return from emptiness, 
what 
> I 
> > > focus upon? should I focus upon the period I went into 
emptiness 
> > in 
> > > the sense that the blank there will become meaningful 
thoughts? 
> > Did I get it right?
> > >