Re: On the nature of a Idea

["SeaWinder" <seawinder@...>]

Hello Eric;

There is a distinct chance that Rawn will type an answer to you, but 
I wanted to jump in and give a few thoughts on this topic. I've 
thought a lot about it too.

> I do notice several layers in what we call a idea. First, the very 
sound of it, the prononciation in one's mind. 

When one listens to one's own mind, to an idea, the idea is already 
formed. It is then the mind that is watching something that it thinks 
that it created, and not letting go of it. The mind "thinks." This 
sets up road blocks, I've found. It constrains the entire process to 
just the block in front of your street. To your own block. To your 
own neighborhood. 

If, following the constructs of yogic breathing exercises in 
meditations you "follow" the idea to it's origins, by repeating it 
and learning to listen to the "speaker" of the word (peace for 
instance) then you are led to the root of the ideation of the word. 
This root, origination of the ideation of the word is in your chest, 
and there is a peaceful quiet, still lake top of water there. When 
you allow a thought to form within you there is a drip of water on 
the top of the lake causing a ripple. 

This ripple is comprised of two things, an idea and an emotion. This 
is the anatomy of a thought. The emotion is either the emotion that 
spawned the idea or the emotion that is caused by the idea or a 
combination of both. 

This thought/idea then rises in our inner system to the brain, which 
can be seen as a huge room filled with 20 million pidgeon hole mail 
boxes, each mail box holds a different "word". One grabs at the 
strings from each mailbox to create a string of words to form a 
sentence. Each one of these words has a feeling or emotion attached 
to it. When one puts the strings of many words in one's hand many of 
the emotions of the singular words are lessened, or merge to form an 
even stronger emotion picture/feeling. (Shakespear play for instance? 
Romeo and Juliet?). 




>Then will come maybe the quality of it, the differents sensations it 
>can produce (will that be the personal meaning we give it, according 
>to our conditioning, education...?) and after, maybe, if lucky the 
>actual meaning, or intention behind the word and sensations.
> 

The intention behind the word is to be found in following the sound 
of the word back to its origination point. This is the laketop within 
the chest image that I alluded to earlier. This is where the science 
of following the feeling of a word will take you back to. There is in 
itself great peace in watching the lake top silent and still and 
watching one word/idea drip its drop onto the placid lake top, 
forming the ripple. Many ripples are many words which make up a 
thought. Uttering the word "peace" for instance causes many of these 
ripples to form as you contact and release predefined emotions 
connected in your brain pidgeon hole library of words to this one 
word/thought. 

There is a great leap between word and feeling. Though most words are 
not abandoned from a feeling that comes along with it. A thought on 
the other hand is a very analytical way of stating that there can be 
a word without emotion. It is a very interesting statement. And 
indeed it is true that thought is a total product of conditioning. 
One could for instance be conditioned from childhood that the taste 
of sweet belongs to salt. But of course the feelings one encounters 
when tasting salt and sugar define themselves within ourselves 
somewhere as something that is distinct and different to each other. 
These are feelings and not thoughts. A feeling of good or bad, 
pleasing or not associated with one of these words/experiences is not 
a thought either, but they are emotions. A thought, "I am reading" 
can be a totally emotionally empty statement. You are reading right 
now, but how many of us read without emotion? 

> I find all to often reciting a sound but missing the actual idea 
beyond it in most of the practices. (Breathing, impregnation, mastery 
of thougth) and not being able to relate to meaning as i maybe should 
in order to impregnate or create a significant change. (meditating 
upon peace and realising it is something not known to me, or is it?)

The examples and explaining I have given above are all from the 
Eastern training I had done previously. The practice includes the 
practitioner into emotional experience right away. The goal is a 
quieting of the mind, a peaceful mind. The idea is that if you want 
peace, be peace. 

Now on to the Bardon techniques. Rawn and others will speack much 
more pointedly and effectively on this than I at this stage in my 
maturety of the Bardon techniques. Basically though in either 
Bardon's techniques, or in Rawn Clark's techniques you will find that 
you will affirm the idea/emotion of peace first already established. 
Then it can happen. There are many ways to explain how this can 
happen within you. I have spent the time above in explaining 
following the root of a word within yourself to its origin and the 
anatomy of it, concerning the Eastern pranayama Yoga or Buddhist 
viewpoints and methodology.

I wish you well,
Chuck