Re: mind chatter : what plane ?

["forestofsymbols" <forestofsymbols@...>]

Simon wrote:

> Quite the opposite actually. In Zen, they say "If you can calm 
your mind for twelve seconds, you have achieved enlightenment". 

What do you say?

Simon wrote:

>Let me use an analogy: Growing up is the result of imposing 
discipline upon your life... we meet responsibilities because it is 
important that we do so. If I fail to impose discipline upon my life 
I remain immature. Thus is can be said that immaturity is 
the "natural" state to be in as another influence (discipline), must 
be exerted on its "natural" state to change it. Thus it is with the 
chattering monkey. Discipline must be exerted upon the mind so 
> that it calms, not until then can it become a "calm pond".

For some, growing up means learning how to lie. Children, in my 
experience, tend to be much more honest than adults-- both with 
themselves (if memory serves), and with others. And when children 
lie, they are often not very good at it. 

> I don't like speaking for others, but I think most of us here would 
say that the natural state of our minds is to have thoughts 
constantly flitting across our radars.

Popular doesn't make it right.


mj