Re: desire in hermeticism

["hermetics10" <hermetics10@...>]

Frater Serpentis Satori,

By saying you can't mitigate suffering I didn't mean to say that you 
can't alleviate it. What I meant by mitigate was making it seem not 
as bad. I just wanted to make that clear if it was misleading.

I already posted this same message but I'm not sure if it got 
through so I'm posting it again.

I also I'm not going to post for a while so you don't have to reply 
to this message.

beginner

--- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "hermetics10" 
<hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> 
> Frater Serpentis Satori,
> 
> You can't mitigate suffering but I've always thought that to want 
to 
> escape life because suffering exists and is possible is too much. 
> I'm not really a fan of Buddhism.
> 
> beginner
> 
> --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori 
> <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
> > LVX
> > Just in that you lack an ego to participate in "human drama" 
> and "self-created suffering". You just handle it in a more 
detached 
> way, but in fact you come in contact with great suffering and 
sorrow 
> at that level, because it reminds you of the import of 
> Compassion/The Great Work.
> > So you spend more time being selfless, and helping others who 
> seek Liberation.
> > LVX
> > Frater Serpentis Satori
> > 
> > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Frater Serpentis Satori,
> > 
> > I was just thinking that when you reached the level of 
perfection 
> > then you would have control over how much suffering you would 
> > encounter.
> > 
> > Ardeshir
> > 
> > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori 
> > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
> > > LVX
> > > Well Alchemic Hermeticism (Rosey Cross School at least), 
> > espouses something akin to the Buddhasitva Oath, that is often 
> > called Making the World Gold, or The Great Elevation which will 
> end 
> > suffering, but as you say, through a radically different means.
> > > Evola wrote a book about Buddhism that is very good, and 
> > Crowley's teacher Alan Benet founded the British Buddhist 
Society, 
> > so this hybrid of both Buddhism & Hermeticism at least dates to 
> the 
> > Edwardian Age. Bardon seems very familiar with much of Tibetian 
> > Theory, likely Evens-Wentz as well.
> > > LVX
> > > Frater Serpentis Satori
> > > 
> > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Serpentis Satori,
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your reply. I understood what you said. From my 
> > > understanding Hermeticism doesn't espouse Buddhism's goal of 
non-
> > > existence and non-involvement which I ultimately see as also 
> > serving 
> > > the purpose of the cessationg of suffering though through a 
> > > different outlook or goal.
> > > 
> > > Thank you again for your reply.
> > > 
> > > beginner
> > > 
> > > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori 
> > > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
> > > > LVX
> > > > Hermeticism is focused on purifying ourselves, so we may 
> > rejoin 
> > > our divinity while training our Will in many sub-sytems. 
> Buddhism 
> > is 
> > > focused upon releasing us from the chains & imprisonment of 
> > > Ignorance so we will cease incarnation. These goals only 
> > > supperficially contradict each other.
> > > > Hermeticism often sees The Will, as the only other 
Absolute 
> > > after The Creator/The Divine, and so it is spoken of in 
similar 
> > > reverance. This is the Arete of Homer, The True Will of 
Crowley 
> > (of 
> > > similar thought by Bardon check the list archives!), and the 
> > Purpose 
> > > of Matrix:Reloaded. The entire Path of Hermeticism serves this 
> > end, 
> > > every Grade Initiation or Exercise strengthen that, from 
> Banishing 
> > > Circle to Bornless One & Beyond.
> > > > Buddhism is as Evens-Wynz put it " the ethical system for 
> the 
> > > science of yoga", and is not so much about Refusing Desire, as 
> it 
> > is 
> > > about Release from Attachments, though Lust/Hunger is an 
> > Attachment. 
> > > This is the Path to Enlightenment, the gradual freedom from 
> > > attachment until one is Enlightened and no longer imprisoned 
by 
> > > Ignorance.
> > > > These goals, though stated as different, can be 
> > complimentary 
> > > and eventually I believe their will come greater synthesis 
> between 
> > > the Great Systems of the East and West. But to do that 
> Hermeticism 
> > > must be founded on truth, with Will and Evolution as its 
> pillars. 
> > > The complementary Buddhism is often Zen or Dzogchan, both 
> focusing 
> > > upon the Inherent Purity of all, but giving techniques to 
> remember 
> > > our perfection, much like Hermeticism.
> > > > Feel free to post me privately if you need further 
> > > clarification in this,
> > > > Frater Serpentis Satori
> > > > 
> > > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Buddhism views desire as a bad thing? What is Hermeticism's 
> view 
> > > on 
> > > > desire? Does desire impede becoming pure which is a main 
goal 
> of 
> > > > Hermeticism?
> > > > 
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> > > > 
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