Re: [BardonPraxis] Re: desire in hermeticism

[Serpentis Satori <serpentsatori@...>]

LVX
I did recieve the first one, I was just considering my response.
Escapsism does go against most of the Tenants of Western Magick (from Alchemy 
to Qabalah, Enochian & RC, as well as FreeMasonry and Druidic Paths). Buddhism, 
though can be a useful series of techniques in Yoga, for any Magickian. A sort 
of Martial Arts for the Mind.
Many of Bardon & Crowley's Techniques borrow heavily from Buddhism, the Soul 
Mirror for one. That origin does not change, that they are useful.
Nor are all Buddhist Systems "escapist" Zen, Dzogchen and a few (mostly 
Japanese Schools) are about limiting suffering caused by Attachment & 
Impermance, while Purifying our Inner Buddha or True Self, much like Western 
Hermeticism.
LVX
Frater Serpentis Satori

hermetics10 <hermetics10@...> wrote:

Frater Serpentis Satori,

You can't mitigate suffering but I've always thought that to want to 
escape life because suffering exists and is possible is too much. 
I'm not really a fan of Buddhism.

beginner

--- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori 
<serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
> LVX
> Just in that you lack an ego to participate in "human drama" 
and "self-created suffering". You just handle it in a more detached 
way, but in fact you come in contact with great suffering and sorrow 
at that level, because it reminds you of the import of 
Compassion/The Great Work.
> So you spend more time being selfless, and helping others who 
seek Liberation.
> LVX
> Frater Serpentis Satori
> 
> hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> 
> Frater Serpentis Satori,
> 
> I was just thinking that when you reached the level of perfection 
> then you would have control over how much suffering you would 
> encounter.
> 
> Ardeshir
> 
> --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori 
> <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
> > LVX
> > Well Alchemic Hermeticism (Rosey Cross School at least), 
> espouses something akin to the Buddhasitva Oath, that is often 
> called Making the World Gold, or The Great Elevation which will 
end 
> suffering, but as you say, through a radically different means.
> > Evola wrote a book about Buddhism that is very good, and 
> Crowley's teacher Alan Benet founded the British Buddhist Society, 
> so this hybrid of both Buddhism & Hermeticism at least dates to 
the 
> Edwardian Age. Bardon seems very familiar with much of Tibetian 
> Theory, likely Evens-Wentz as well.
> > LVX
> > Frater Serpentis Satori
> > 
> > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Serpentis Satori,
> > 
> > Thank you for your reply. I understood what you said. From my 
> > understanding Hermeticism doesn't espouse Buddhism's goal of non-
> > existence and non-involvement which I ultimately see as also 
> serving 
> > the purpose of the cessationg of suffering though through a 
> > different outlook or goal.
> > 
> > Thank you again for your reply.
> > 
> > beginner
> > 
> > --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Serpentis Satori 
> > <serpentsatori@y...> wrote:
> > > LVX
> > > Hermeticism is focused on purifying ourselves, so we may 
> rejoin 
> > our divinity while training our Will in many sub-sytems. 
Buddhism 
> is 
> > focused upon releasing us from the chains & imprisonment of 
> > Ignorance so we will cease incarnation. These goals only 
> > supperficially contradict each other.
> > > Hermeticism often sees The Will, as the only other Absolute 
> > after The Creator/The Divine, and so it is spoken of in similar 
> > reverance. This is the Arete of Homer, The True Will of Crowley 
> (of 
> > similar thought by Bardon check the list archives!), and the 
> Purpose 
> > of Matrix:Reloaded. The entire Path of Hermeticism serves this 
> end, 
> > every Grade Initiation or Exercise strengthen that, from 
Banishing 
> > Circle to Bornless One & Beyond.
> > > Buddhism is as Evens-Wynz put it " the ethical system for 
the 
> > science of yoga", and is not so much about Refusing Desire, as 
it 
> is 
> > about Release from Attachments, though Lust/Hunger is an 
> Attachment. 
> > This is the Path to Enlightenment, the gradual freedom from 
> > attachment until one is Enlightened and no longer imprisoned by 
> > Ignorance.
> > > These goals, though stated as different, can be 
> complimentary 
> > and eventually I believe their will come greater synthesis 
between 
> > the Great Systems of the East and West. But to do that 
Hermeticism 
> > must be founded on truth, with Will and Evolution as its 
pillars. 
> > The complementary Buddhism is often Zen or Dzogchan, both 
focusing 
> > upon the Inherent Purity of all, but giving techniques to 
remember 
> > our perfection, much like Hermeticism.
> > > Feel free to post me privately if you need further 
> > clarification in this,
> > > Frater Serpentis Satori
> > > 
> > > hermetics10 <hermetics10@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Buddhism views desire as a bad thing? What is Hermeticism's 
view 
> > on 
> > > desire? Does desire impede becoming pure which is a main goal 
of 
> > > Hermeticism?
> > > 
> > > beginner
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